Terry Virgo Biography: No well worn paths and Smith Wigglesworth prophesy
Well, I have finally managed to finish Terry Virgo’s no well worn paths. I don’t normally take so long to read a book but life has been and continues to be very busy!
What can I say about the book?
Its great! A fantastic outline of the history of the UK charismatic movement. As I read it I couldn’t help but think ‘Terry you were born at the right place at the right time!’ But then this is actually true for all of us!
I am encouraged by the man, his journey and his ministry. His apostolic oversight has proven successful not to mention biblically balanced and Spirit anointed. No well worn paths is obviously the theme, the idea that Terry and his team have pioneered and established a very new style of church.
At one point, a little cynicism crept in though, it was when he described his journey from house church to purchasing purpose built buildings. He then went on to talk about NF being impacted by the toronto blessing, and the cell church movement and many other recent activities. At this point I began to wonder if NF had simply embraced every fad and bandwagon that has blown through the church over the last few decades!?
My cynicism subsided, at the end of the day Terry Virgo is a very gracious man. He has sought to be faithful to the Lord, the scriptures and the work of the Spirit. Not an easy path to walk. He has sought to be biblical and relevant and cutting edge and his openness to other ministries is a sign that he doesn’t see himself or NF as spiritually elite. This is true humility. God has done an awesome thing through Terry Virgo and New Frontiers.
Terry included this prophesy by Smith Wigglesworth.
Smith Wigglesworth’s 1947 Prophecy
”During the next few decades there will be two distinct moves of the Holy Spirit across the church in Great Britain. The first move will affect every church that is open to receive it and will be characterized by a restoration of the baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit. The second move of the Holy Spirit will result in people leaving historic churches and planting new churches. In the duration of each of these moves, the people who are involved will say ‘This is the great revival’. But the Lord says ‘No, neither is this the great revival but both are steps towards it.
WORD AND SPIRIT
When the new church phase is on the wane, there will be evidenced in the churches something that has not been seen before: a coming together of those with an emphasis on the Word and those with an emphasis on the Spirit.
When the Word and the Spirit come together, there will be the biggest movement of the Holy Spirit that the nation, and indeed the world, has ever seen. It will mark the beginning of a revival that will eclipse anything that has been witnessed within these shores, even the Wesleyan and the Welsh revivals of former years. The outpouring of God’s Spirit will flow over from the UK to the mainland of Europe, and from there will begin a missionary move to the ends of the earth.”
This prophesy is amazing. I have to say that in my view newfrontiers reflects the coming together of word and Spirit like no other movement I know of.

December 9th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I agree! I’ll be buying that book soon.
December 10th, 2008 at 3:16 am
This stuff you’ve been writing on your blog about new frontiers sounds very promising.
I think that the problem does not lie though with the fact that the church must believe in speaking in tongues, revival, gifts of the spirit and also is fully biblically based and very accurate in biblical doctrine. I think that’s important yes but I think everyone is missing the point of being filled and that’s why no one is getting filled biblically or seeking it and therefore we no longer have people like L. Ravenhill or A.W. Tozer or paris reidhead.
So I think that new frontiers will end up being just like another charismatic church with a bit more orderly biblical conduct and better biblical teachings on doctrine and such but with still the same problem.
Anyway I don’t know if I want to go into my explanation of what being filled is at the moment but I’ve learned from sermons of all 3 of the names I mentioned above on what being filled is and they all line up the same, take care and hope to hear from you soon about meeting up :).
December 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Hi Lee,
NF as far as I can see, is one of the most promising movements around. Reformed theology, evangelical preaching and charismatic experience- a rare breed. However, your right- if the heart is not surrendered to Christ these things will simply become religious trappings.
As for Tozer, it was his book ‘how to be filled with the Holy Spirit’ that led to my own filling with the Spirit. As a consequence I became more conscious of God, I was set free from alcohol addiction and smoking addiction, I experienced a new level of holiness, a continual joy, a boldness to share my faith and the gift of tongues was chucked in for good measure…
regarding meeting up,
Are you free some time on Fri afternoon?
December 11th, 2008 at 1:37 am
Oh it’s good to know you had that happen to you, It’s like day and night, I got filled with the Holy Spirit after listening to an audio sermon by A.W. Tozer that went through it all biblically and exactly on how it’s done.
Yeah I got set free from a lot of problems after it and boldness. I mean about what less than a year ago I was so quiet and fearful. Such a change God has done in me.
Friday afternoon I’m free after college which I finish at 1 (at reid kerr so no problem getting into paisley or that).
So yeah anytime after that is fine I don’t think I’m doing a whole lot after college. Speak to ya soon. God bless
December 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Hi Lee,
I’m in Glasgow and meeting someone for lunch at 12, I should get back into Paisley for 1.30pm. I could meet you outside Gilmour st station then. If I’m not there at 1.30 I’m just running a little late and should be there no later than 1.45.
c ya then
j
December 11th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
that’s no problem, see ya then
December 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
If we are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets then how can there still be prophets around today? Once a foundation is laid and a building placed on top, surely you don’t try & build another foundation on the roof?
December 17th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Hi Mike, thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.
If I may respond to your question with another question;
How does the fact that apostles and prophets have laid a foundation imply that they no longer exist today?
December 19th, 2008 at 2:48 am
-How does the fact that apostles and prophets have laid a foundation imply that they no longer exist today?
I have also come to the conclusion that prophets and apostles have ceased. I think the fact that we have complete bibles that were written by apostle’s and prophets shows and that. If you were to say it has not ceased not only would it mean that our bibles are not complete but it would advocate writing new books of the bible from these current day apostles and prophets.
Also everyone who calls themselves apostles today would of had to have seen Jesus when he was on this earth and would have to have the same powers and miracles that the apostles had in the NT. Well so far historically and even nowadays we haven’t seen any of these things from those who claim to be apostles much less normal Christians. What about prophets? Well I’m yet to see or hear of any prophet who got stuff 100 percent right and who didn’t have some strange doctrines.
“restoration of the baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit” - Wiggleworth say’s in the prophecy. Well I think in pentecostalism there is this complete failure to realise what the baptism of the Holy Spirit is.
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
“12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
Also in scripture it is not commanded that we look for or ask for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Why? The bible is clear that it is done by Christ and there is ONE baptism and it comes at the point of conversion.
There is of course the notion that the filling of the Holy Spirit is the same thing as baptism of the Holy Spirit. However in the bible they are separated.
There is a baptism of the Holy Spirit at the point of conversion and then there is there after, being constantly filled with the Holy Spirit. Here’s the sermon I was talking about going through the greek, grammar and the differences between the apostles being filled for specific purposes and filling up constantly with the Holy Spirit.
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=4305214457
Anyway, thought it was an interesting question. Take care. God bless.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:12 am
Hi Lee, wow a lengthy post! lol
I dont have time to respond to every point just now (its very late I should be asleep!)
“I have also come to the conclusion that prophets and apostles have ceased. I think the fact that we have complete bibles that were written by apostle’s and prophets shows and that. If you were to say it has not ceased not only would it mean that our bibles are not complete but it would advocate writing new books of the bible from these current day apostles and prophets.”
Was the writing of scripture the only role of an apostle or prophet?
A study of the bible will clearly show that it was not.
This begs the question, what other function did they have?
Once we understand this, we can then ask, is there a need for that function today?
And before we make a judgement on the last point, we need to ask does the bible teach that these roles would cease?
To believe that the apostle and prophet no longer exist today is to take a ceasationist view of scripture.
However, the cessationists have one problem. there are no scriptures to back up their position.
the key texts for this study is Eph 4 and 1 cor 12-14.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Hi John
The Apostolic age has ceased without question and scripture does testify to this, despite what you say.There was one very definate qualification for the role of Apostle laid down in scripture Acts 1 v 15- 22 - an eye witness of the resurrection - and no-one alive today or indeed who has been alive for the past 1900 years is able to fulfil it(as testified in Scripture 1 Peter 1 v 8.However many so called “Prophets” clearly don’t accept this as they falsely claim personal encounters ie Bentley, Cain, Jones). Paul was the last Apostle (born out of time) as one having a revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ and he acurately predicted the cessation of tongues (1Cor13:8) which happened at the end of the Apostolic age.These true apostles wrote & spoke with a special authority.Their role in laying the foundation for the NT church means they can have NO successors. Self appointed “Apostles” and “Prophets” (eg Kansas City- New Apostolic Reformation- Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God) who claim leadership and headship(including a number of prominant women which the Bible calls usurpers) for themselves are deluded and dangerous individuals who perpetuate a litany of false doctrine and spew out blatantly false prophecies. During the Apostolic Age,liars and decievers were struck down by God - not so today. This is because we are not living in the Apostolic age.
Furthermore God’s revelation through his Apostles & prophets is now complete and the canon of scripture is closed. There is no further revelation from God outside scripture which is all sufficient and it is dangerous error to seek fresh revelation.Rev 22v 18,19. One thing which spurred on the church fathers to close the Canon of scripture was to combat the error of the Montanists who added their prophecies to Apostolic writings claiming equal authority with them. (as do the Mormons with their Joseph Smith so called “prophet”)
As a Reformed individual I don’t think it inconsistant to stand by the five Sola’s - to do otherwise is less than Reformed.
December 19th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Well yeah I do take a cessationists view of scripture. That which is perfect(the bible) has come I believe.
The goal of the prophets and apostles was not just to write the bible of course, it was to lay the foundation of the church of Jesus Christ. Which has now been laid. I see no need at all for these offices when we have the bible and we have the Holy Spirit and a God who answers the prayers of his children.
I think it just leads to false teachers, a lack of discernment and I believe it is one of the great hindrances to Christians, all this focus on spiritual gifts and tongues speaking as if God and the bible is not enough, but instead we need to constantly be seeking experiences and greater manifestations of the Holy Spirit to be happy. I don’t see it in the bible. What I see in the bible is to seek his kingdom and his righteousness, but instead we have people chasing experiences and emotion.
At charismatic/pentecostal meetings is the goal of getting tongues speaking / other gifts really to further his kingdom and his glory? or is it to further human pride and self-esteem. I see it as being like a prosperity gospel only the prosperity is a spiritual or emotional experience instead of money.
I know that there will be a part of the pentecostal/charismatic churches whose motives are biblical, who are deeply rooted in the word and who are seeking first his kingdom and his righteousness. I hope you don’t think I mean ALL people are like that, but it is on the whole the majority. However John I know you personally and you are one of these people who are biblical and whose motives are true and such so I hope you don’t think I was targeting you.
Anyway take care, God bless n’ have a good weekend.
December 19th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Hi Mike, Lee.
Thanks for your very lengthy posts.
Mike I appreciate your point about the qualification for being an apostle is the need to be an eye witness of the risen Christ. Wayne Grudem, (reformed charismatic theologian) would share that interpretation and its a fair point.
Lee, a lot of the material you have found via Paul Washer is anti charismatic and I would say that this particular bias clouds their other wise sound approach to biblical interpretation.
I do believe that apostles exist today, I believe this because I do not believe that scripture teaches that their role was temporary. There were certain functions that the first apostles had i.e the revelation of scripture which were reserved for them alone. However the role of prophet and apostle is still valid today. The same is true for the gift of tongues and the gift of healings and miracles.
Let me give you an example
1) In 1 cor 11 Paulspeaks of women prophesying in the church meeting. Acts 2 speaks about ’sons and daughters prophesying’ and that this was to be a sign of the end times. Also in Acts, Phillip’s daughters also prophesied.
Now, no woman wrote any of the new testament scriptures yet women clearly prophesied.
What does this mean? NOT ALL PROPHESY IS SCRIPTURE.
There is a function for prophesy today that does not undermine scriptural revelation. Sometimes, as in Acts, the prophesy is of a personal nature. This makes sense since the scriptures do not deal explicitly with every situation that we face. Prophesy of course must never contradict scripture.
Also, one of the key roles of an apostle was church planting. This gift is needed today and there are many effective apostles/church planters around today.
Give me some time and I will write a blog or two explaining these views a little more clearly.
God bless
John
December 20th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Hmm. I didn’t say that the only role of prophets and apostles was to write scripture. In my last post I mentioned it was to build the foundation of the church.
Also about Paul washer, I don’t believe hes ever actually taught on the subject. However I ride pretty close to the free Presbyterian church on these matters. From what I see myself from being in a charismatic/evangelical church for a year and from seeing the people who are called prophets and apostles today well i’ve yet to see one apostle or one prophet that has been biblical.
For example wigglesworth says about the Holy Spirit baptism coming back into the church, i’d have to write off his prophecy there because I believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit happens on conversion and that there isn’t some second baptism that we are to go seeking after.
I freely admit that the church is powerless without the Holy Spirit, but apostles with the ability to produce miracles and healing, I do not see that anywhere today.
Do people get healed? Do miracles happen? yes but not through apostles, but through prayers of the saints.
I’ve heard debates from both sides of the argument and heard people going through both of the sides in detail, and from what I see today I’d have to say, that which is perfect has come and the gift of tongues has ceased along with the apostles and prophesying.
I am not going to be like totally 100 percent like not open to ideas though so it would be interesting to hear what you have to say.
Take care n’ God bless.
December 20th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Hi Lee, I’m glad your wrestling with these issues, its like a huge jigsaw! I’ve been trying to build teh picture for years, I’ve in no way got the whole picture but I am sure of this; both charismatics and non charismatics have some of the pieces but not them all, both need some of the pieces that the other has which they dont and both have got pieces which dont even belong in the Jigsaw!
I’ll try and pull together as many books, links and info and post a blog about them.
In the meantime, (I happened to find this teh other day before our discussion) check out this link. http://adrianwarnock.com/2006/09/charismatic-debate-finishing-off-dan.htm
Adrian Warnock is debating charismatic issues with Dan from pyromaniacs (non charismatic. Adrian is deeply commited to teh bible and not a ‘typical charismatic’. There are various links within this post linking to the previous discussions.
Adrian, I would say, is probably far better at explaining the issues than I am. Also he is a researcher and his debate reflects that. My posts often suffer from not having the time to carefully put forward the case.
The good thing about the debate is that you are getting a discussion with two opposing views on the matter and not just one person describing both views.
Anyway, check out the debate and let me know how you get on. In the meantime I’ll be digging out resources and trying to pull something together.
God bless
April 9th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I realise I am pretty late to this discussion!
No-one within newfrontiers would call themselves an “apostle” in a bible times sense of authroity and calling.
I think the clarification would be an “apostolic” gift: that is, someone who is able to help oversee, support, develop and encourage churches, mission and new church planting, as the apostles did.
In the same way, an evangelist may be a good speaker, or may be able to equip different churches with gifts and ideas for mission and evangelism. One is an evangelist by the preaching of the gospel, but the other is closer to an Ephesians four evangelist by helping to shape and develop the evangelistic endeavour of a whole Church by building up the body.
So I don’t think newfrontiers uses the terms apostle, evangelist, prophet as nouns as much as they see them as types of gifts people have which can help build up the body.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
“No-one within newfrontiers would call themselves an “apostle” in a bible times sense of authroity and calling.
I think the clarification would be an “apostolic” gift: that is, someone who is able to help oversee, support, develop and encourage churches, mission and new church planting, as the apostles did.”
Hi David, thanks for your comments. I think this is bang on. The current day rejec tion of the apostle is often a misunderstanding of the nature of the apostolic gift.