How I became a Reformed Evangelical Charismatic: Part 1
This was one of the first booklets that I ever picked up on Calvinism, I remember getting to the part that spoke about ‘limited atonement’ and I remember throwing it across my bedroom in disgust. As you can tell, the book hated arminians and wasnt afraid to say so. As a young enthusiastic pentecostal arminian convinced that it was God’s will that ‘none should perish’ the thought of Christ only dying only for the elect had to be heretical and the tone of the writers sickened me and convinced me that calvinists were highly religious bigots!
I had heard the gospel through a brethren movement known as The churches of God these were an evangelical network typical of many closed brethren gospel assemblies. Charles Spurgeon describes the exclusive nature of the brethren exclusive nature in the following quote.
“The Brethren look upon all other denominations, however evangelical in sentiment, and however high their standard of personal religion, as so largely infected with error in doctrine, as well as wrong in relation to church government, that they believe it would be sinful to associate with them for the promotion of religious ends. And this conviction, which is never absent from their minds, naturally has the effect of puffing them up with spiritual pride. Believing that they alone of all religious bodies have attained to the knowledge of the truth, it could hardly be otherwise than that they should look down on every other Christian sect with supreme pity, mingled, even according to the admission of some of their own number, with contempt. . . .”
The brethren held a strong emphasis on scripture, in many ways I am glad I was converted under their ministry because I believe that their gospel content was very biblical. However my experience of God in my conversion was particuarly supernatural. I soon met some pentecostal and charismatic believers and I felt that their experience related more to my own although I had huge question marks over their theology. I later found myself recieving the gift of tongues and eventualy decided to leave the ranks of the brethren because I couldn’t see the case for the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Joining the pentecostals was not problem free for I continualy encountered views among Christians that were wild, varied and contradictory!
Having pitched my tent with the pentecostals I spent years trying to reconcile Baptism in the Holy Spirit with regeneration and speaking in tongues. If only someone had pointed me in the direction of Piper,Kendal, Dr Loyd Jones, Grudem or Storms I could have been saved much earnest wrestling and grief!
I think the brrethren, while not being calvinists, certainly caused me to be predisposed to an understanding of God’s sovereignty. I remember one night reading the following passage in Ephesians 1
” even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,” v4-5
This night I recieved something of an understanding of election, I was only converted about a year but the revelation that I was chosen blew me away! This must have spilled over into my evangelism because I seemed to work for the salvation of others as if their salvation depended on me but within myself relaxed in the confidence that God would save his elect. I also had a deep suspicion of people who rushed enquirers through ’sinners prayers’ and I often doubted the Christian experience of many who were initiated in this fashion.
However with my transition into pentecostalism things began to change, I found myself surrounded by arminians. For me I never really understood the theology of election but I mistakenly limited it to the realm of ‘once save always saved’ or ‘could a beliver be lost again?’ And for many years I found myself adopting a rather arminian position. The works of David Pawson particuarly influenced this transition. I had the joy of speaking to David at the Elim conference one year and I remember him warning me with the following words ‘keep away from the works of the reformers’!


March 3rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm
G’day John.
I tend to be more Calminian in theology then I am Calvinist or Arminian.
I was saved and baptised in the Holy Spirit in a Charismatic Anglican church in Sydney and fellowshipped there for 10 years. I now go to a Pentecostal church for various reasons under God - one being that we are going to plant a church under them in the local area.
I think you need to relook at the Ephesians passage and the context of who is chosen…and you will find that it relates to the Jews as a nation and more specifically Paul being chosen to be a Apostle… and doesn’t so much refer to individual salvation.
I look forward to reading your blog and engaging with your posts.
Blessings craig b
March 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Lol (laugh out loud) “G’day” the classic Australian greeting! “G’day mate”!
First thanks for posting, its encouraging to know someone is reading your blogs, even if they dont agree with them! lol
If I may respond, In context there is no suggestion that Paul is refering to the Jews as a nation. In rgeards to his apostleship v1 implied he was an apostle ‘by the will of God’, I agree that Paul was chosen to apostleship in the same sense that all who are called/chosen to salvation are also called to ‘walk in good works prepared beforehand by God’. see Eph 2
However the specific text, in context, is refering to
‘the saints…the faithful in Christ Jesus’ v 1b
v11-12′we were also chosen…we who were the first to hope in Christ’ (the first disciples and apostles) who were mainly Jews since this is where the mission started.
‘You also were included’ v13 the ephesians are included in the predestination of God because ‘having believed’ they trusted in Christ and recieved the Spirit of adoption.
v4 the purpose of the ‘chosing’
1: to be holy in his sight
2: to be blameless
3: to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ
The context makes it clear that it is not only the apostles who are called because Paul includes the first believers, the saints in Ephesus, and ultimately extends such priveledges on all who trust in Christ and are sealed by the Spirit.
The context also makes it clear that he does not restrict being ‘chosen’ only to the Jewish nation for the the nature of the ‘chosing’ is ‘through Christ’ and not all Jews claimed Christ as their messiah. Hence Paul says in Romans ‘Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel’. Basicly, only those who are of faith are Israel.
This is further reinforced by the fact that Pauls letter is adressed to ‘the saints’, that is those who are set apart in Christ.
The outworking of the ‘choosing’ is that the chosen are being made holy and blameless and are sealed with the Spirit. These are priveledges only available in the new covenant and not by nationality i.e jewish.
Incidently, my use of the text in Ephesians, described an experience I had early in conversion, at that time I did not have the understanding that I have now. All I had was an overwhelming sense of awe at having been chosen by God, for I was a sinner and unworthy and this news assured my heart of the grace of God. I will, in the blogs that follow describe my journey into armianism and then to Reformed theology. These Blogs will deal much more in depth with the ‘weightiness’ of election as it is found in scripture.
Incidently, I am also a member of an AoG and our church has also planted a new church.
Blessings in Christ.
John
March 4th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
I agree with your comments John.
But when you look at the context of Predestined it actually is talking about Christ and His ministry that was predestined and that it was the Jewish nation through whom God chose to reveal Christ.
You can read more about what I am saying here
http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/category/word-studies/
Blessings craig
March 25th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Craig, that doesn’t even sound right. The context is clear. What should concern you is that your interpretation is unique to a very small camp. So small, you’re the first I’ve ever heard of, and I visit alot of campgrounds.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Hi Bill.
Have a read through the first chapter where Paul uses the term “Chose”
Also keep in mind the book of Ephesians is also written as a rebuke to the Gentiles who were getting intolerant and uppity towards the Jewish Christians and therefore my break down makes even more sense.
Finally while you may not have heard this before, Phillip Jensen from Sydney Anglicans - who is well known for his reformed beliefs - believes / teaches the same that Paul is talking about the Jews first, then the Apostles then the Gentiles.
I wrote more about this here
http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/23/
Blessings craig